Bush doesn't torture?

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Bush lies? Dana Perino lies? Cheney lies?

And this is a surprise to whom?

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must result in our constant ridicule of the president and administration. Historians must hold his name in ridicule, constantly using it as a term for a liar, a fool and a simpleton. The only way to recover from this tragic decade (8 years but it has seemed a lot longer) is to keep ridiculing this fool, and make sure that those who supported him, feel like the idiots they were, and no longer open their mouths without others laughing at the foolish evil that this administration and it's supporters represent.

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If there is any truth behind the old quotes;

"You reap what you sow."

"It comes back to you 10 fold."

"What goes around, comes around."

"You become what you live."

Than I would dare say the rest of Bush's life should be full of the hatred, intolerance, ignorance, and failure he's created around the world.

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Worse than waterboarding has been done to detainees.
(For instance, Binyam Mohamed confessed to terrorism after having his penis cut into by a blade as part of a torture session.
Detainees, both men and women, have also been sodomized violently as part of torture sessions. Other nice forms of torture have been carried out by US interrogators too.)

But the Obama administration will likely NOT investigate those government officials who carried out torture during the Bush era, according to Obama advisors.
And President Bush will probably preemptively pardon those involved in torture as one of his last acts.

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VISIT JONESTOWN!!

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OBAMA IS PARROTING BUSH WHEN HE STATES"WE DON'T TORTURE. THE UNITED STATES DOES NOT CONDONE TORTURE."
WELL LADIES AND GENTS, WE HAVE ANOTHER F--KING LIAR RUNNING THE COUNTRY. THE AUDACITY OF HOPE, MY ASS.

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We should get sworn testimony from the White House staff on everything. That's the only way we can convict them of the lies they have told us.

Perhaps the question should be changed to "Have you been truthful about your war statements?"

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Obama will never authorise or support any investigation or trial of his predecessor. Such an action, while undoubtedly justified, would split the country so dramatically that it would be tantamount to a declaration of civil war. You have to remember that, not only are there still many gullible fools who believe the Bush lies, there are millions more who WANT the torture to go ahead. It is up to posterity to damn the neo-cons - the courts won't do it.

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Perino is the individual representing the Know-Nothing Party who knew nothing of the Cuban Missile Crisis. Granted the philosophy of the Bushies has always been that their ideas are of such a dynamic quality that history, much less the conjecture that anything can be learned from it, is meaingless, as an Empire of the power of the U.S. simply makes history, creates reality, as it goes along. This obviously also applies to truth.

The fact that high ranking Japanese officers were prosecuted for war crimes by the American military for waterboarding doesn't seem to register on Bush or any of his disciples. They simply re-invent history and reality. Also bear in mind that the massively overwhelming majority of these people have never made the kind of sacrifices they demand of others, or even had to to struggle on a day-to- day basis anywhere near the degree of average folks. That they can get away with conning so many of these people is the confounding thing to me.

Evidently, calling some grunt a hero and pinning a medal on his chest, if he is still alive, is payback enough. If they can be the arbiters of heroism and sacrifice without having any understanding or connection with either, then, surely, it should be a piece of cake to declare that simulated drowning isn't really torture, that they don't torture.

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I REALLY wish people would stop saying that
the act of waterboarding is a form of "simulated drowning." This is categorically incorrect and defines the act as less despicable than it truly is. There is nothing
"simulated" about it--it is controlled drowning. It is drowning followed by resusitation until the victim confesses to whatever the torturer wants, or simply dies when they fail to resusitate the prisoner.

Anyone that condones this activity should have to experience it for themselves--I think it might change their minds.
Also, we have NEVER had and probably will never have the kind of scenario presented in that damned series "24."
All the best interrogators say that gaining the prisoner's trust is the best method for getting real, truthful intelligence.
Someone being tortured will tell you anything.
And, it probably won't be the truth. The sad thing is that MANY innocent people have been
put through torture and, when they couldn't take it anymore, falsely confessed to make the
torture stop.

There is absolutely no reason for this administration to get away with its multiple war crimes. They should be brought before the International Court in the Hague, Netherlands,
and tried for these crimes like every other
country's leaders who have committed war crimes and torture have been. If we won't clean up our own mess, then we're saying our
Justice system is broken, and another one must be used.

The reason Bush and Cheney have never been
brought to Impeachment Hearings is because Nancy Pelosi, Speaker of the House, was briefed
on these torture programs, and signed off on them! She knows that Bush and his cronies would bring her down with them--if not legally, certainly politically. She and many
democrats are as to blame for this as anyone.
I can't believe Pelosi was re-elected. People need to spread the word about the reason Pelosi
has "taken Impeachment off the table." It's because she said it was okay to put other people on a table and pour water down their
throat and sinuses in a form of torture called waterboarding, which is a form of controlled,
repeated drowning, followed by resusitation, then more drowning.

But Pelosi is very popular in her part of California...she has the proper look, drinks
the right wines, is seen in the right places--
and endorses torture and has protected the most
criminal administration in history from even
being investigated...The dems should also be
kicking each other for confirming Mukasey as
A.G. too--a man who refuses to do his Constitutional duty, not an attorney for the
people, but Bush's own private attorney.
This country is quickly moving towards a
police state, and the American people had better get off their butts before they come and take away all our guns and whatever Civil Liberties we might have left!

I've always been for non-violence..but that doesn't mean compliance.Look at what Ghandi accomplished, taking on the British Empire! We must over-come our fears, and be ready to die for freedom, because what is going to happen to us if we don't may be worse than death! What they are doing to us is violence--economic violence, injustice, destruction of America, taking away
our rights to protest, and simply not representing us at all.Instead of their constituents, many of them view us as an enemy
to pacify, delude, trick, and oppress!

And I don't think anyone makes it to President who is not willing to go along with this game, despite what they may say. Bush said
he wasn't into "Nation Building," which, I guess, is a half-truth. He's really into "Nation Destroying." Cheney gets the re-building contracts to his old and future company, Helliburton!

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